Hi Im from Ha Noi - VietNam

[daibang]

Hi all,
Just got here and am looking forward to talking to old friends and meeting new ones. It's great to see that there is already a foundation of International falconers here and look forawrd to hearing how falconry is in your country.

[Joby]

Welcome to the forum! One thing, you'll want to sign your posts (via user cp) with your real name. It's one of our only rules here that helps keep things friendly and the "forum police" would get to you sooner or later. Once again welcome!

[thunderheartiii]

Hello and (welc) to NAFEX.

[christopher.vly]

Welcome!

I am half Vietnamese, but dont really know much about Vietnam. Are there a lot of falconers there? Are there any laws restricting falconry? What species of bird do you fly?

We are all glad to have you on NAFEX!

Christopher Van Ly

[California Native]

Hello and Welcome to NAFEX !

Please tell us about the hawks and falcons in your country.

Dan

[daibang]

Welcome!

I am half Vietnamese, but dont really know much about Vietnam. Are there a lot of falconers there? Are there any laws restricting falconry? What species of bird do you fly?

We are all glad to have you on NAFEX!

Christopher Van Ly
is nice to know u too,in VN falconry just started ,and has no any laws,my Falcon is Male Peregrin and 1 Male Kestrel,and im training the Male kestrel on Lure.nice to meet u ,and happy to share.

[California Native]

In 1972 I was sent a tercel peregrine that was from the coast of Viet Nam. A stunning peregrine that caught the eye of those who saw him. It was not my bird, but I was to care for him for a few years while the owner was away. I wish I had taken photos of this bird because he was so beautiful and shaped like a wedge. Very heavy weight for his size. He was returned to his owner and I don't remember what became of him after that. It would be nice to see your peregrine if you can post some photos.

Dan

[daibang]

thanks all,Here some pic
my european kestrel
http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/ktshai/1-2.jpg
http://www.nafex.net/%3Ca%20href=%22http://s726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/ktshai/?action=view&current=IMG_4595.jpg%22%20target=%22_ blank%22%3E%3Cimg%20src=%22http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/ktshai/IMG_4595.jpg%22%20border=%220%22%20alt=%22Photobuc ket%22%3E%3C/a%3Ehttp://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/ktshai/IMG_4595.jpg

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/ktshai/pre1.jpg
and my peregrine falcon
[IMG]http://www.nafex.net/http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/ktshai/pre1.jpg

[California Native]

Thank You for the photos. It is good to see what you and your falcons look like. Also what a bit of the country where you train/fly, looks like as well.

Do you have any photos of the peregrine with it's hood off ? Please post one if you do. Did your peregrine come from Viet Nam ? What is the sub species there ? My map shows it to be Falco Peregrinus Japonensis.

Dan

[daibang]

Thank You for the photos. It is good to see what you and your falcons look like. Also what a bit of the country where you train/fly, looks like as well.

Do you have any photos of the peregrine with it's hood off ? Please post one if you do. Did your peregrine come from Viet Nam ? What is the sub species there ? My map shows it to be Falco Peregrinus Japonensis.

Dan
thanks Dan, yes he come from VietNam, my brother has been trapping it the season of last year
http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/ktshai/IMG_4672.jpghttp://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/ktshai/IMG_4743.jpg

[California Native]

Thank You. Very nice looking peregrine.

Dan

[Yeomanfalconer]

Thank You. Very nice looking peregrine.

Dan
Tiercel Callidus ?

[California Native]

Tiercel Callidus ?

Eric, I wondered what it is when I saw it. Not what I would have expected. But with his brother trapping it, you may be right. I have not seen a Calidus. My range map shows that the eastern edge of the range of the peregrinus is not far. Maybe others on NAFEX will offer their opinions. I think a tercel.

The peregrine I cared for in 1972 came from a coastal eyrie in South Vietnam. Taken by a falconer/pilot, was heavily marked and very dark. I would have expected a bird that looked like that tercel, to moult out different than this bird.

[daibang]

Peregrine Falcon is often appear in Viet Nam, at the end of the year, from August-9 to January when they move from China to the Nothern of Viet Nam, I do not know classification!
sorry I'm not good english
thanks and best regard.

[calebstroh]

Very Cool!

[California Native]

Peregrine Falcon is often appear in Viet Nam, at the end of the year, from August-9 to January when they move from China to the Nothern of Viet Nam, I do not know classification!
sorry I'm not good english
thanks and best regard.

Thanks and your English is fine !

[nebli]

peregrines breeding there are ernestii which are indeed very dark

the falcon in the picture could be either a calidus or a japonensis
I would rather say a calidus but not a hundred % sure .
nevertheless a gorgeous hawk
congratulations!

[California Native]

thanks all,Here some pic
my european kestrel
http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/ktshai/1-2.jpg
http://www.nafex.net/%3Ca%20href=%22http://s726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/ktshai/?action=view&current=IMG_4595.jpg%22%20target=%22_ blank%22%3E%3Cimg%20src=%22http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/ktshai/IMG_4595.jpg%22%20border=%220%22%20alt=%22Photobuc ket%22%3E%3C/a%3Ehttp://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/ktshai/IMG_4595.jpg

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/ktshai/pre1.jpg
and my peregrine falcon
[IMG]http://www.nafex.net/http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/ktshai/pre1.jpg

Your Kestrel photo shows the beautiful colors of that bird. Especially the frontal view of breast and head.

[fallinghawks]

Beautiful birds and good to hear that Vietnam has falconry too. Welcome to Nafex!

[daibang]

Hi all, here my new bird, but I don't know of any classification! anyone help me! thanks and best regards
http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/ktshai/DSC00497.jpg

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/ktshai/DSC00498.jpg

[Saluqi]

Gorgeous bird! Looks like Macropus peregrine maybe, Pete?

[PeteJ]

Probably ernesti, basically the northern version of macropus. http://www.thairaptorgroup.com/TRG/files/falco-peregrinus-ernesti-78_604.jpg
I don't think it could be peregrinator as it isn't quite reddish enough in the breast background coloring. F. p. ernesti are quite dark as adults but without having the red breast of F. p. peregrinator. The other adult is likely calidus, they have distinctively very heavy feet, but with sort of a tundrius plumage. They likely migrate through Vietnam in the winter. Here's a map that helps to show the relative positions of the different Peregrine subspecies throughout the world. It does not include migratory ranges though. Some would migrate, some would not. http://raptorindonesia.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Peta_Peregrine-Falcon.png

[nebli]

http://www5b.biglobe.ne.jp/%7Eraptor/DSCN8104%20copy_L.jpghttp://www.thairaptorgroup.com/TRG/files/falco-peregrinus-ernesti-78_604.jpg
good examples of ernestii
in vietnam you could find him breeding there but the falcon shown is a migrant hawk so could be a japonensis, calidus is definitively as Pete said similar to a tundrius except much larger , south siberian and mongolian peregrine as well as chinese are difficult to describe the aerea is huge and difficult to attribute a particular standart.

[nebli]

sorry everyone I hadn't look at the last pictures these are clearly an ernesti as Pete very well determined , and a very beautyfull one
above you have a glance at what it could look in adult plumage
juan

[daibang]

thanks pete and juan.., thanks for your advice, I trapped it in the Northwest of Vietnam, surprised to have it because now no bird migration season, I understand it may be settled in Viet Nam! it weighs 450g now I want to train him, he will be jumping to hand feed. often please ask one male bird to eat how many grams one day?
best regards!
Hai

[Yeomanfalconer]

thanks pete and juan.., thanks for your advice, I trapped it in the Northwest of Vietnam, surprised to have it because now no bird migration season, I understand it may be settled in Viet Nam! it weighs 450g now I want to train him, he will be jumping to hand feed. often please ask one male bird to eat how many grams one day?
best regards!
Hai
What I am most curious about is the the falconry influence on what you guys are doing now. Your equipment is obviously European. Who brought love of falconry to Viet Nam ? The French? Americans were just bombing the north.
Yes, your native raptors are beautiful. Tell us more about how you came to follow the old art ?

[PeteJ]

thanks pete and juan.., thanks for your advice, I trapped it in the Northwest of Vietnam, surprised to have it because now no bird migration season, I understand it may be settled in Viet Nam! it weighs 450g now I want to train him, he will be jumping to hand feed. often please ask one male bird to eat how many grams one day?
best regards!
Hai
It will be better for you to feed it a weighed amount of food and then see what it does to the weight of the bird by 24 hours later. Weight gain or loss is not just by how much food you feed, but also the quality of the ratio (fattening food or very lean non-nutritious food), and the temperature and activity of the bird. It will help you very much to take notes and even perhaps make graphic representations (graphs) of what the weight is doing, what food you fed, and what the response of the bird was. You will find that chicken meat is very cooling and easily digested, but takes more quantity to raise weight than does equal amounts of pigeon which is higher quality and is like jet fuel for falcons. Until the bird is working harder for its meals it will be advantageous to restrict the use of the highest quality foods.
In the earliest stages of training you will want to foods that are little bit lighter in quality because it allows you to stretch out the time you spend training the bird and not have the weight go so high the following day. It may be alright to use some pigeon meat for tidbits and such, but fill the bird up with amounts of lighter food to make the bird feel like you are being very generous with it and it will look more and more to approval of your developing relationship.

[nebli]

hai , you have maybe done a first , peregrine falcon is not as far as my knowledge goes been listed as breeder there , even if it is obvious that it should do .
congratulation for your hawk
could you telle us what is the average temperature over there now as well as humidity?
what food have you access to ?
do you have hoods there ?
what does your flying ground looks like?
do you have snipes around as well as wood cocks? I know that there are quite abundant in some places of vietnam.
keep posting, that hawk is fantastic you will have a lot of fun with him
my best regards

[daibang]

What I am most curious about is the the falconry influence on what you guys are doing now. Your equipment is obviously European. Who brought love of falconry to Viet Nam ? The French? Americans were just bombing the north.
Yes, your native raptors are beautiful. Tell us more about how you came to follow the old art ?

Hi Yeomanfalconer! No French no Americans, I learn from you from the forums in the world. falconry is a sport in vn, I know many difficulties. especially when there is no sponsor but I love falconry somuch.
thanks and best regards!

[daibang]

thanks peter J and juan!
food is frozen quail and sometimes pigeon meat.
Average temperatures: now is summer in VietNam is the average temperature is 32 degrees; yes I have all the equipment such as, hood, gloves, ... and I do all by hand

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/ktshai/IMG_3309.jpg

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/ktshai/IMG_3304.jpg

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/ktshai/IMG_3308.jpg

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/ktshai/IMG_4786.jpghere


my flying ground


http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/ktshai/13.jpgthanks


and best regard, wish you a happy weekend!
Hải.

[Yeomanfalconer]

Hi Yeomanfalconer! No French no Americans, I learn from you from the forums in the world. falconry is a sport in vn, I know many difficulties. especially when there is no sponsor but I love falconry somuch.
thanks and best regards!
Very impressive for having no personal direction. There must have been something that captured your interest early. Says something for the information available on-line now, that someone can progress so well on forum help alone.

Other than a few notable examples, we westerners are used to seeing battered forest hawks being peddled in Asian city markets to whoever. Thanks for being a notable example for us.

[daibang]

Very impressive for having no personal direction. There must have been something that captured your interest early. Says something for the information available on-line now, that someone can progress so well on forum help alone.

Other than a few notable examples, we westerners are used to seeing battered forest hawks being peddled in Asian city markets to whoever. Thanks for being a notable example for us.

sorry you. you have come to VN not yet?. please come and see us falconry, we lived in England 15 years. and we learn about falconry. Maybe you have to go to VietNam to broaden your eyes.