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Shehawker
09-27-2011, 08:16 AM
Thought I would be nice to get a list of falconry OC articles and the Journals they are found in. I've come crossed a few of Laymanís in some old NAFA publications but other than those few nothing else. Will have to look up the ones I found after work.

missy

Shehawker
09-28-2011, 07:53 AM
There is Laymans "Hawk Whispering" in the April 2001 Hawk Chalk

Hawkingcolorado
09-28-2011, 08:01 AM
There is Laymans "Hawk Whispering" in the April 2001 Hawk Chalk

Any that you can post a link to?

Mike O
09-28-2011, 09:00 AM
Here's a link to a Karen Pryor article on operant condition of hawks for falconry:

http://www.clickertraining.com/node/282

canvibe
09-28-2011, 10:21 AM
Here's a link to a Karen Pryor article on operant condition of hawks for falconry:

http://www.clickertraining.com/node/282

Good website, there are a few books and videos I plan on buying, a book on training Chickens caught my eye:D

kitana
09-28-2011, 11:17 AM
Good website, there are a few books and videos I plan on buying, a book on training Chickens caught my eye:D

lol, Don't buy a book on training chickens: go to a chicken camp! It'll change your life as a trainer! ;)

Shehawker
09-28-2011, 11:17 AM
I don't have one, you will probably have to get a copy of that HC. The Modern Apprentice site also has some good stuff on it.

outhawkn
09-28-2011, 12:03 PM
What is it you want to train your hawk to do? Chances are its been done for several thousand years under another name......

kitana
09-28-2011, 12:05 PM
About the Hawk Chalk: how could I have access to past issues? Are they available somewhere on the net, for sale maybe, or scanned? i feel like I've been missing a lot of things.

goshawkr
09-28-2011, 12:41 PM
About the Hawk Chalk: how could I have access to past issues? Are they available somewhere on the net, for sale maybe, or scanned? i feel like I've been missing a lot of things.

They are only available to NAFA members. If you are a NAFA member, you can get a copy of any article from any publication by contacting the Archives of Falconry. They do charge a copying fee, last I paid attention it was $6.

When Kent Carnie was the curator he was very good at knowing what issue a particular article came from just by the name of the author or the subject matter, but you should know the month and year before contacting the archives.

You could also ask a NAFA member to do the copying for you if they have the article.

Shehawker
09-28-2011, 01:23 PM
Thanks Geoff, that is good to know as I do not have that HC copy either. Stumbled on a reference to it while going through the archives of the Yahoo Falconry OC group and was just going to try and track it down through friends that might have it. Still need to dig out my HCs from storage as there are several others I know of.

For anyone that is interested I have also been going through those archives indexing the posts (by number only) into what I think are relevant topics (hooding, imprints, aggression, exercises, ect) You will still need to be a member of the group to look the posts up, but if it is alright with Paul I'll put it up here when its done. Loads of good stuff in there!

missy

canvibe
09-28-2011, 07:39 PM
What is it you want to train your hawk to do? Chances are its been done for several thousand years under another name......

:D Refinement of course :D

goshawkr
09-28-2011, 07:40 PM
What is it you want to train your hawk to do? Chances are its been done for several thousand years under another name......

How about play basketball with a ping pong ball?

canvibe
09-28-2011, 07:49 PM
How about play basketball with a ping pong ball?

That would be something to seecrazyy

goshawkr
09-28-2011, 08:19 PM
That would be something to seecrazyy

It could be fun - we could set up leagues - and challenge some parrot folks to a game. OF course, when the hawks loose they just might get frustrated and eat the other team.

Somehow the sacrelidge of teaching my falconry hawk to play innane parrot games is very appealing. Anyone who thinks I am not a serious falconer simply needs to spend some time in the field with me - but there is no reason it cant be fun and even irreverant as well.

canvibe
09-28-2011, 08:57 PM
It could be fun - we could set up leagues - and challenge some parrot folks to a game. OF course, when the hawks loose they just might get frustrated and eat the other team.

Somehow the sacrelidge of teaching my falconry hawk to play innane parrot games is very appealing. Anyone who thinks I am not a serious falconer simply needs to spend some time in the field with me - but there is no reason it cant be fun and even irreverant as well.

Slicing on command, can you imagine the possibilitiesmooon

Shehawker
09-29-2011, 09:15 AM
Ahh just stand over here sir...


In American Falconry Volume 52 is Jim Nelson's article on hood and high level tidbiting
In the December 2001 Hawk Chalk is an article on dealing with aggression in the Imprint Coopers Hawk by Steve Layman.
April 1994 Hawk Chalk has Steve has one on the "conditioned response" and jumps ups
The 2001 California Hawking Club Journal is supposed to have several good articles in it.

Thatís all I can find for now.

missy

Saluqi
09-29-2011, 09:26 AM
Thanks Geoff, that is good to know as I do not have that HC copy either. Stumbled on a reference to it while going through the archives of the Yahoo Falconry OC group and was just going to try and track it down through friends that might have it. Still need to dig out my HCs from storage as there are several others I know of.

For anyone that is interested I have also been going through those archives indexing the posts (by number only) into what I think are relevant topics (hooding, imprints, aggression, exercises, ect) You will still need to be a member of the group to look the posts up, but if it is alright with Paul I'll put it up here when its done. Loads of good stuff in there!

missy


Fine by me, go for it!

Shehawker
09-29-2011, 10:25 AM
Was just about to PM you about that. Only to post 400 right now, and there are about 1800 so it may be awhile.
Lots of fun stuff though, favorite quote so far
"I am a perch, not a catapult"
so true..

missy

Saluqi
09-29-2011, 10:30 AM
I also have a version of Layman's "Hawk Whisperer" article in Word format that he sent to me. I don't know what the copyright rules are for posting it.

goshawkr
09-29-2011, 12:07 PM
I also have a version of Layman's "Hawk Whisperer" article in Word format that he sent to me. I don't know what the copyright rules are for posting it.

It should just be a question of asking Steve, but last I checked into it NAFA was insisting on giving their blessing first for items published in NAFA publications.

If I may take a moment for an off topic rant, the fact that NAFA does not pay for contributions to their publications in any fashion AND that they insist on takeing ownership of them is precisely why I have never submitted any material to them. If some NAFA board member were to effect change of that policy, I would gladly submit material. Either pay me for my work or let me keep ownership of it. Then again, I dont think NAFA's claim of ownership would ever stand up to a challenge against the original author.

Saluqi
09-29-2011, 12:23 PM
It should just be a question of asking Steve, but last I checked into it NAFA was insisting on giving their blessing first for items published in NAFA publications.

If I may take a moment for an off topic rant, the fact that NAFA does not pay for contributions to their publications in any fashion AND that they insist on takeing ownership of them is precisely why I have never submitted any material to them. If some NAFA board member were to effect change of that policy, I would gladly submit material. Either pay me for my work or let me keep ownership of it. Then again, I dont think NAFA's claim of ownership would ever stand up to a challenge against the original author.

That used to be so Geoff, but reading the last page in the latest HC Kenn Filkins has cleared the way by posting what the new bylaws read.

The NAFA copyrights cover the publications and uses submitted articles, stories, cartoons, photographs, and artwork on a one-time basis by permission. The ownership of the articles, stories, cartoons, photographs and artwork remains with the author/writer, photographer or artist. Permission to reprint a specific article, story, photo, cartoon or artwork is granted by the author/writer, photographer or artist.

goshawkr
09-29-2011, 12:44 PM
Was just about to PM you about that. Only to post 400 right now, and there are about 1800 so it may be awhile.
Lots of fun stuff though, favorite quote so far
"I am a perch, not a catapult"
so true..

missy

Hi Missy.

Just for being willing to go through all that material, I am compelled to buy you a beverage of your choice in Vernal. Thats a lot of work....

This Index you are putting together should probably be its own thread. Perhaps there should be one index for print, and another for the yahoo forum? Would be nice to have it (them?) as a stickey at the top of the OC sub forum.

goshawkr
09-29-2011, 12:46 PM
That used to be so Geoff, but reading the last page in the latest HC Kenn Filkins has cleared the way by posting what the new bylaws read.

The NAFA copyrights cover the publications and uses submitted articles, stories, cartoons, photographs, and artwork on a one-time basis by permission. The ownership of the articles, stories, cartoons, photographs and artwork remains with the author/writer, photographer or artist. Permission to reprint a specific article, story, photo, cartoon or artwork is granted by the author/writer, photographer or artist.

Well in that case, let me break out my pen and get an article written for the journal...

AK Rev
09-29-2011, 02:39 PM
Just talked to Steve Layman and he doesn't remember the date of publication for the article "Passage to Imprint". What is the date for that and can I get a copy from someone?

Love what you are doing with the index! I look forward to seeing it.

goshawkr
09-29-2011, 02:44 PM
Just talked to Steve Layman and he doesn't remember the date of publication for the article "Passage to Imprint". What is the date for that and can I get a copy from someone?

Love what you are doing with the index! I look forward to seeing it.

I have a photo copy of it at home - I'll try to remember to look it up. I could send it to you as a PDF, if I can remember. :D

AK Rev
09-29-2011, 02:46 PM
Thanks Geoff. A PDF would be perfect.

AK Rev
09-29-2011, 03:25 PM
I believe the article I'm looking for is in the April '96 Hawk Chalk. I'll check my stack when I get home to make sure I didn't overlook it.

JRedig
09-29-2011, 11:03 PM
I have passage to imprint somewhere on my phone, ill try and dig it up this weekend. I read every post on that yahoo group this spring/summer, some great stuff there. The first 800 or so messages had some of these articles and some unique exchanges.

AK Rev
09-29-2011, 11:05 PM
Whoever has the article, I would love a copy.

goshawkr
09-30-2011, 05:50 PM
I have passage to imprint somewhere on my phone, ill try and dig it up this weekend. I read every post on that yahoo group this spring/summer, some great stuff there. The first 800 or so messages had some of these articles and some unique exchanges.

In that case, I'll just defer to you providing it.

It would be nice to have a library of that material somewhere though. I could set up a spot on my webserver to host it if someone dosnt have a better location. I know Layman would love to have them all available online somewhere.

JRedig
10-03-2011, 04:08 PM
In that case, I'll just defer to you providing it.

It would be nice to have a library of that material somewhere though. I could set up a spot on my webserver to host it if someone dosnt have a better location. I know Layman would love to have them all available online somewhere.

I only have it in a paper copy and don't have access to a good scanner at the moment. It is in the April 1996 Hawk Chalk for anyone who's interested.

goshawkr
10-03-2011, 06:08 PM
I only have it in a paper copy and don't have access to a good scanner at the moment. It is in the April 1996 Hawk Chalk for anyone who's interested.

In that case I will scan it sometime in the next few days.

Those who are interested in it should PM me an email address.

goshawkr
10-05-2011, 06:59 PM
In that case I will scan it sometime in the next few days.

Those who are interested in it should PM me an email address.

I still havnt managed to get this scanned, but I did get several requests.

I'll post here when I have sent them out.

stavros_
10-06-2011, 07:00 PM
Thanks Geoff.

goshawkr
10-06-2011, 09:14 PM
I still havnt managed to get this scanned, but I did get several requests.

I'll post here when I have sent them out.

I have scanned the article, and emailed it to everyone who gave me an email address requesting it be sent to them.

I also sent it to Chris so that he could include it in the NAFEX article library. And to Steve so he will have a copy.

AK Rev
10-06-2011, 09:16 PM
And to Steve so he will have a copy.

clapp