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MGermana
11-25-2012, 02:52 PM
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Lowachi
11-25-2012, 03:06 PM
first guess: red-shouldered, 2nd guess: broad-winged

Zarafia
11-25-2012, 03:16 PM
Too big to be a broad wing IMHO. I'll go with female RS.

Zarafia
11-25-2012, 03:17 PM
I say female cause those aren't bad feet.

Shichahn
11-25-2012, 03:28 PM
Looks like RS to me, especially with the colors in the tail and primaries. That light patch in the primaries is the "comma" shape seen in a soaring RS.

wesleyc6
11-25-2012, 04:40 PM
I say red shoulder too and a big one at that. BWH have short legs like a RT where you don't see much leg when perched comfortably.

sevristh
11-25-2012, 08:11 PM
Easiest way to tell? Start training it. When it gets comfortable and starts sounding like a car alarm, it's a RS. If not, it's a broadwing. ;)

robhawkyyz
11-25-2012, 08:23 PM
lines on the train redshoulder, there is also the barring on the secondaries when wings are folded in place that a broadwind does not have, what's your plan?

wingnut
11-25-2012, 09:26 PM
Give us a peak at the head with out the hood on. Probably the photo but the beak looks odd???

Sthomas07
11-26-2012, 04:21 AM
Looks like a male RT. How much does it weigh?

s2k
11-26-2012, 11:02 AM
looks like a average size male rt they come in different shapes and marking phase

RyanVZ
11-26-2012, 11:12 AM
100% sure that is a immature Red-Shouldered Hawk. The orangey color on the primaries is the for sure give away.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jPeGn4ef1S0/UC2en7yhHiI/AAAAAAAABC8/umThW8mh7-s/s1600/IMG_0610.JPG

Here is my apprentice (now general's) Red-Shoulder from this past summer.

kitana
11-26-2012, 12:08 PM
I agree with RSH, the orangish primaries are typical. A red-tailed hawk as pale as this would have an almost white upper chest. No RTH has a barred upper chest unless very darkly colored.

MGermana
11-26-2012, 08:50 PM
I was not sure at the time but am now that it is a red shouldered hawk.

As far as our intentions... release. A friend of mine trapped it and was not sure what it was. I have unintentionally trapped haggard birds but not a passage so I was unsure at the time. I got to a computer when I got home from hunting Sunday and did some research also, a lot easier than on a cell phone.

Its weight was in the 400s, don't remember the exact weight.

wesleyc6
11-26-2012, 10:46 PM
I was not sure at the time but am now that it is a red shouldered hawk.

As far as our intentions... release. A friend of mine trapped it and was not sure what it was. I have unintentionally trapped haggard birds but not a passage so I was unsure at the time. I got to a computer when I got home from hunting Sunday and did some research also, a lot easier than on a cell phone.

Its weight was in the 400s, don't remember the exact weight.



Wow, that is wild how large it looks on the glove. I caught one last week and it was tiny looking compared to that one. Neat looking birds. They usually have funny yellow/brown colored eyes.

JeremyLee
11-28-2012, 04:53 AM
This thread has me scratching my head. Is there a good source of reference for identifying passage raptors? I have probably misidentified many red-shouldered hawks as RTs. I see lots or RS hawks, spent the morning photographing one yesterday, but I guess I've never knowingly seen a passage RS.

RyanVZ
11-28-2012, 07:52 AM
This thread has me scratching my head. Is there a good source of reference for identifying passage raptors? I have probably misidentified many red-shouldered hawks as RTs. I see lots or RS hawks, spent the morning photographing one yesterday, but I guess I've never knowingly seen a passage RS.

A Photographic Guide to North American Raptors by Wheeler and Clark

sevristh
11-28-2012, 08:49 AM
I think another thing that can help is preaching location. In general where I live RS hawks tend to take lower perches over ditches or creeks whereas RTs are usually higher and not necessarily near water as much as RSs. Again, these are just broad generalizations based on observances in my area.

JeremyLee
11-28-2012, 10:24 AM
A Photographic Guide to North American Raptors by Wheeler and Clark

Thank you.

JeremyLee
11-28-2012, 10:31 AM
I think another thing that can help is preaching location. In general where I live RS hawks tend to take lower perches over ditches or creeks whereas RTs are usually higher and not necessarily near water as much as RSs. Again, these are just broad generalizations based on observances in my area.


Good to know. I have about an even mix of the two in close proximity to my property, but the RS hawks are the only ones that ever perch within 100 yards of my trailer. I do have a pond and am only a few hundred yards from a creek. I'll just be looking closer at all the birds I'm unsure of now. Thanks. Sorry for hijacking.

NMHighPlains
11-28-2012, 10:49 AM
I think another thing that can help is preaching location.

Are RS hawk street, pulpit, or mass-media preachers? I've never tried to ID hawks this way- learning something every day!

:D

Lowachi
11-28-2012, 11:16 AM
Are RS hawk street, pulpit, or mass-media preachers? I've never tried to ID hawks this way- learning something every day!

:D

I think it's pulpit. Usually w/a snake in one foot and wings a flair....

Does get more "Revival Meeting" farther south, tend to be indoors in Yankee territory..:Dpeacee

sevristh
11-28-2012, 01:26 PM
Damn 'smart' phones.....frus)

JeremyLee
11-28-2012, 02:40 PM
Okay, I feel dumb now. Completely missed the opportunity. See, I thought he just meant really driving home the more probable locations for certain species when educating would-be trappers. Us Southern boys do like our preaching...

Sthomas07
12-02-2012, 08:55 PM
Looks like a RT to me. My Female has that same coloring on her wings and chest.


100% sure that is a immature Red-Shouldered Hawk. The orangey color on the primaries is the for sure give away.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jPeGn4ef1S0/UC2en7yhHiI/AAAAAAAABC8/umThW8mh7-s/s1600/IMG_0610.JPG

Here is my apprentice (now general's) Red-Shoulder from this past summer.

Dirthawking
12-02-2012, 09:18 PM
Got a picture of yours?

kitana
12-02-2012, 10:46 PM
Got a picture of yours?

Yeah, exactly what I was thinking. Maybe some RTs will become RSHs... Who knows, maybe the red-shouldered hawks' reputation will improve! lol

Lowachi
12-02-2012, 10:56 PM
Yeah, exactly what I was thinking. Maybe some RTs will become RSHs... Who knows, maybe the red-shouldered hawks' reputation will improve! lol

Me too!