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Amy
06-30-2013, 12:36 AM
http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t565/AmyRivera007/IMG_0361_zps43300021.jpg (http://s1314.photobucket.com/user/AmyRivera007/media/IMG_0361_zps43300021.jpg.html)
http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t565/AmyRivera007/IMG_0359_zpsde944088.jpg (http://s1314.photobucket.com/user/AmyRivera007/media/IMG_0359_zpsde944088.jpg.html)
Can anybody guess what kind of bird this is??

Saluqi
06-30-2013, 08:10 AM
Peales x Macropus?

skooky20
06-30-2013, 09:55 AM
or a gyr-macropus

Amy
06-30-2013, 11:34 AM
Nope......The mystery continues!!!!!!

PeteJ
06-30-2013, 01:29 PM
Gyr/fijian

Amy
06-30-2013, 01:54 PM
Nope!!!!

wesleyc6
06-30-2013, 02:06 PM
Fiji x macropus?

Dirthawking
06-30-2013, 02:41 PM
*Moved this to it's own thread*


Looks like there is Tundra bird in there.

colelkhunter
06-30-2013, 03:19 PM
PealesXFijianXmacropus

Tasha55403
06-30-2013, 03:24 PM
Pealesxgyrxbarbary (not necessarily in that order ;) )

broken feather
06-30-2013, 04:03 PM
Pealesxgyrxbarbary (not necessarily in that order ;) ) Tasha, I think gyr/peales X barbary(or RNS)

falcon56
06-30-2013, 04:49 PM
People on the IFF play this little guessing game way too often-what's the point exactly? With all the possible combinations of hybrids that are and can be produced, this could go on way too long. Just tell what it is, and dispense with the games. thanks.

xjturnerx
06-30-2013, 06:07 PM
Falcon hybrid? I'm pretty sure that's right

colelkhunter
06-30-2013, 06:19 PM
*peregrine.

Amy
06-30-2013, 07:16 PM
The birds name is Reno and is registered as a gyr-barbary, but I personally do not believe he is gyr-barbary......In my opinion gyr-peales but just wanted some other opinions!!! That was the point of this posting. I originally put in random photo's.

dliepe
06-30-2013, 07:17 PM
Gyr/Cassini....

goshawkr
06-30-2013, 10:08 PM
People on the IFF play this little guessing game way too often-what's the point exactly? With all the possible combinations of hybrids that are and can be produced, this could go on way too long. Just tell what it is, and dispense with the games. thanks.

Ya know Ray, you could just refuse to play along in those games. ;)

footbound
06-30-2013, 10:31 PM
It looks like Ray. Compact, intense, not likely to suffer fools well. Or kinda like some kinda tircel Peregrine.

rri32701
06-30-2013, 10:52 PM
I agree with you Amy,Its got a full peregrine cap.No way it doesn't have peregrine of some full capped strain in it.

Pedioecetes
06-30-2013, 11:43 PM
Who knows, it could be a bunch of different possibilities. Here's a photo of Dale G.'s "Chip", a black gyr tiercel crossed to an anatum female. Very similar.

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee379/Pedioecetes/005-1.jpg (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/Pedioecetes/media/005-1.jpg.html)

Amy
07-01-2013, 01:26 AM
Who knows, it could be a bunch of different possibilities. Here's a photo of Dale G.'s "Chip", a black gyr tiercel crossed to an anatum female. Very similar.

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee379/Pedioecetes/005-1.jpg (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/Pedioecetes/media/005-1.jpg.html)

Wow....looks a lot like him. We have had Reno for about 6 years and always wondered cuz he looks nothing like my other tiercel gyr-barb's. He is super powerful when in flight but scary because he never misses the opportunity to drop a redtail to the ground!!!!

falcon56
07-01-2013, 01:45 PM
Ya know Ray, you could just refuse to play along in those games. ;)

You noticed I didn't guess what it was, so I did refuse to play along.

falcon56
07-01-2013, 01:47 PM
It looks like Ray. Compact, intense, not likely to suffer fools well. Or kinda like some kinda tircel Peregrine.

You got part of that correct. I am a bit grayer around the edges tho.

Hunner
07-01-2013, 02:48 PM
Well I'm guessing its real grey! I'm positive that it is a WELL intermewed something of undertermined age! But, I'm really lost on what the falcon really is!

Amy
07-01-2013, 02:59 PM
He is intense alright, but he is no compact runt!!!!

broken feather
07-01-2013, 06:18 PM
Amy, thanks for the post!! myself I just question some of our breeding stock?look I understand there are some very good reputable breeders!! Not trying to throw rocks at anyone!! Unforunately there are some bad ones also!!In this case the breeder could have bought a GyrX Peregrine that looked like a Gyr!! Not knowing breed a Gyr/peregrineX barbary?

Amy
07-01-2013, 07:12 PM
Amy, thanks for the post!! myself I just question some of our breeding stock?look I understand there are some very good reputable breeders!! Not trying to throw rocks at anyone!! Unfortunately there are some bad ones also!!In this case the breeder could have bought a GyrX Peregrine that looked like a Gyr!! Not knowing breed a Gyr/peregrineX barbary?

Thanks for posting....you are 100% correct!!! In this case however this bird came from a very reputable breeder, I just think the wrong semen was mistakenly used. This bird is an imprint and we got him at about 10 days old. I am sure every once in a while this does happen especially when you have a large breeding project, but who knows!!!

Montucky
07-01-2013, 07:18 PM
what is the flying weight?

broken feather
07-01-2013, 07:21 PM
Thanks for posting....you are 100% correct!!! In this case however this bird came from a very reputable breeder, I just think the wrong semen was mistakenly used. This bird is an imprint and we got him at about 10 days old. I am sure every once in a while this does happen especially when you have a large breeding project, but who knows!!!I was even thinking of the wrong semen!!

Amy
07-01-2013, 07:56 PM
what is the flying weight?

Right around 720 grams.

Bird_Dog
07-02-2013, 10:54 AM
Is he a good gamehawk? It is established that it's a tiercel, right? Do you fly grouse with him? You might want to repeat the mystery breeding.

-- Scott

Amy
07-02-2013, 11:57 AM
My husband is no longer flying Reno and is going to use him as a hat bird. He was a very powerful bird but when he started killing red-tails it was time to switch him over to a hat. As I am sure most of you can sympathize, when your favorite imprint, who saves half his meal for you and then tries to shove it in your mouth turns a large female RT into a taco, then follows its limp body to the ground. Then does it again to another one the next day its time to use him for different purposes before he winds up on the wrong end of that situation and ends up dead.

rri32701
07-02-2013, 03:49 PM
My husband is no longer flying Reno and is going to use him as a hat bird. He was a very powerful bird but when he started killing red-tails it was time to switch him over to a hat. As I am sure most of you can sympathize, when your favorite imprint, who saves half his meal for you and then tries to shove it in your mouth turns a large female RT into a taco, then follows its limp body to the ground. Then does it again to another one the next day its time to use him for different purposes before he winds up on the wrong end of that situation and ends up dead.
Can't argue with your logic when he starts killing Redtails.However it'd be nice to know what you had for sure so you didn't start producing Heinz 57's.But I guess that"s why you started this thread.

footbound
07-02-2013, 04:06 PM
I had a peregrine that liked to kill harriors and short eared owls. I won't say how many but it got so bad I had to stop flying her for a while her first season. I shipped her to a guy who now uses her for abatement on gulls. She loves her new life and he loves her style. Maybe your guy needs a new job where the tails aren't so thick. Shame to put him up in his prime.

Amy
07-02-2013, 05:25 PM
Yes, but when you have a hard imprint that won't even look at another person without wanting to rip them to shreds that makes it a little hard. He definitely is not done with flying just makes us a lot more careful about where and what he flies on!!! He is just in a time out!!! We are very particular about how our birds are flown and handled.....I would never consider letting somebody else handle our birds nor would we ever consider handing him over to somebody else. The one and only time we transferred a bird the person almost killed my bird.

footbound
07-02-2013, 09:10 PM
Jees sorry bout your bad luck. I didn't transfer the bird I sold it to a very accomplished fellow abatement falconer. Last I heard she was ruling the dump because I trained her to wait on for an hour or so and she liked to fly things with pointed wings (as well as ST grouse). I'm sure she is even better now for having been flown several times a day all winter. Why is everybody so damn touchy on this site!?

Amy
07-03-2013, 12:32 AM
Michael, not to sure what you mean by the "touchy" part. Was your birds name Storm?? It fits the description of a bird my husband flew at a landfill two years ago.

Amy
07-03-2013, 10:18 AM
Thanks everybody for your input!!!!

Dirthawking
07-05-2013, 05:46 PM
Why not look into a blood test to check species? I know they can do it with dogs.

Amy
07-07-2013, 01:58 AM
Why not look into a blood test to check species? I know they can do it with dogs.

It's food for thought....maybe his name should have been Heinz!!!

greenonions
12-19-2013, 09:23 PM
this is my tiercel black gyr barb in juv plumage i think the black hood will stay into adult plumage no pere here only gyr and barb flys 595-600g my friend has a gyr rns looks a lot like yours Amy pattern wise just a little less red

http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu143/alshaheen_2009/967d44bb-d1df-4133-92cd-be1ffaf30f41.jpg (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/alshaheen_2009/media/967d44bb-d1df-4133-92cd-be1ffaf30f41.jpg.html)

sharptail
12-19-2013, 11:05 PM
Wow, stunning bird!

greenonions
12-20-2013, 11:34 AM
sorry i deleted the pic but here are a few

http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu143/alshaheen_2009/f52cb985-c061-4c37-848c-76659163033a.jpg (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/alshaheen_2009/media/f52cb985-c061-4c37-848c-76659163033a.jpg.html)

http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu143/alshaheen_2009/953da60b-19f1-4a4f-8056-3af1b7716ae8.jpg (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/alshaheen_2009/media/953da60b-19f1-4a4f-8056-3af1b7716ae8.jpg.html)

http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu143/alshaheen_2009/7c8775fa-9bc4-4b2a-bc07-a135c43318a1.jpg (http://s642.photobucket.com/user/alshaheen_2009/media/7c8775fa-9bc4-4b2a-bc07-a135c43318a1.jpg.html)

schwartze
12-20-2013, 09:14 PM
Hi John,

One of my gyrXbarbary tiercels looks very similar to yours. Here he is in juvenile and adult plumage.

The bird originally posted in the thread looks very much like a gyrXbarbary, and nothing about it suggests Peale's to me. The deep reddish chest had to come from somewhere, and it certainly did not come from a gyrfalcon or a Peale's falcon. Given that the vast majority of hybrid tiercels are produced from a male gyrfalcon, I highly doubt that it is a result of semen fumbling. I believe that he is exactly what the breeder says he is. Handsome devil, in any event.

Regards,

Steve


http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv337/schwartze/_MG_1550.jpg (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/schwartze/media/_MG_1550.jpg.html)

http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv337/schwartze/IMG_7655.jpg (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/schwartze/media/IMG_7655.jpg.html)

greenonions
12-21-2013, 07:20 AM
i looked through your photobucket im guessing this is hitch how did you find this mix Steve very strong minded dont you think mine loves to show you what he can do with his beak :(