View Full Version : Imprint Tercil Finnish Gos, 07

06-15-2007, 08:39 AM
A new Finn. Gos arrived today. The bird was made by Vic and Jan Hardaswick. The shipping went smooth as silk. Took him home to meet the family and get started with his training. A few pics below.

Seems to like his new home.

Whats this thing?

Oh, that's what it is!

Introducing the dachshunds.

One at a time.

Just let them get to see each other.

The first pack meeting.

The first day we introduced him to his new home, the hood, and the dogs. Its good to be careful introducing the dogs. With a past kestrel the dogs would help eat the eyass food. At the time I thought how nice their really bonding. The kestrel interpreted it as being fed. Later in life the kestrel would food beg when ever it saw a dachshund! Other than that it was a perfect imprint. The issue was resolved by sending the kestrel to another falconer for six months.

06-15-2007, 11:29 AM
Great looking pictures. Very nice looking dogs. Ya gota love them. Watch out Mr. Cottontail [smilie=banana.gif]

06-15-2007, 02:02 PM
Nice Bird!! What does he weigh? Careful with the hood, I think a lot of imprint gosses develop a fear of the hand and become "unhoodable" because we tend to treat them like eyass longwings who handle being hooded much better - strictly my opinion. I'm going to wait until my gos has hardpenned before I show her the hood, guess we'll see what happens.


06-15-2007, 02:09 PM
At this stage of the game I try to keep things simple. The hawk is hooded, his garnished lure is added after a short wait. When the hood comes off he begins to feed. Once he starts to figure out the routine I begin to switch places up. With accipiters I try not to feed them regularly in the same place where they will be handled as aggression may result.





06-16-2007, 09:28 AM
His weight is 645g @ 25 days.

06-16-2007, 10:01 AM
CONGRATS! Nice looking gos, and dogs. So whats the plans for this bird rabbits,quail,ducks,geese, or what every thing?

`Chris L.
06-16-2007, 06:06 PM
Erik, he looks great. [smilie=icon_thumright.gif] Thanks for keep a log. What is his diet?

06-16-2007, 11:28 PM
The plan as of now is to get him on jacks and cotton tails, then to feather. I hope to make a trip up north for snow shoe with both gos this winter. As for the geese I don't really want him on the grater Canada geese here but if I get up north during snow geese season its on! The flights are just too much fun.

Right now he is going through four to five quail a day. I have been dumping chick juice (the egg sack in a day old chick) of two chicks on top of the chopped up quail in hopes it will add some color and nutrition.

06-17-2007, 10:38 PM
You said you do not feed you Gos in the same place. Did you mean the same place in the nesting box or same room in the house.

06-17-2007, 11:17 PM
Same place like the weathering yard, mews, living room, etc. I don't care if he makes any territoriality association with the rubbermaid nest box as in another month he will never see it again.

06-18-2007, 11:35 AM

Nice looking bird. Why did you go with a Finnish? Nothing agaisnt them just curious is all.

06-21-2007, 08:45 PM
I like the versatility of the Finnish. Between the size and good temperament of the Finnish birds there hard to beat. They are just slightly faster than the N.A gos from the start but really come in to their own on the long haul. If getting game is important to you its good. If you don't like running its bad.
I can only think of one bad trait of the Finnish gos, they mature a bit slow. Once one knows the gamut of game though there isn't much to stand in their way.

06-21-2007, 09:24 PM
29 days.
Eating like mad and slicing just as often.





06-22-2007, 12:30 AM
Outstanding picture of the Gos and dog on its back, there keepers for sure.

06-22-2007, 07:45 AM
Congrats on the bird. You guys will be killing stuff before you know it! Do you hunt much with Teddy Moritz?

`Chris L.
06-22-2007, 09:37 AM
29 days.
Eating like mad and slicing just as often.

Erik, I feel your pain my friend... Its hard to keep up with the slices for sure. [smilie=BangHead.gif]

He is looking great. [smilie=icon_thumright.gif]

06-22-2007, 09:44 AM

06-22-2007, 02:12 PM
Hey Eric, great photos,, a Hardaswick Gos HUH? That should be a fair sized one,, Good show,,
Wondering did Vic have any advice on raising the gos so close with your Dach? Reason I ask I have heard and have had mixed succsess raising them together so closely,,
Good luck with him,, remember don't close those braces on the hood for some time..

06-22-2007, 03:26 PM
Hi Ken,
All my hawks or falcons that are going to chase rabbits get raised with the dachshunds. The only problem I ever had is the dachshunds trying to steal. My hen finn gos lets them under her feathers and they eat together. BTW the hoods fit wonderful!

Teddy and I dont do much hunting together.

06-22-2007, 04:42 PM
Erik, I'm curious where you got the notion that tiercil Finns are faster the NA tiercil goshawks? Care to share? BTW I have a left over male that is today 24 days old and weighed 692 this morning before eating. That's about normal, and i just got a call from a guy in MD that has a clutch mate to this one that is over 800 grams already... though he didn't say if that was a fed weight ( hmmm... still with say 100 grams of food in him----how much is your bird eating at a meal ...) that's a lot. looks good keep it up!!

06-22-2007, 05:20 PM
Erik, I'm curious where you got the notion that tiercil Finns are faster the NA tiercil goshawks

I was wondering the same thing. I've always heard that Finns were faster in the long haul, but not as quick from the start.

06-22-2007, 05:27 PM
Thanks Erik,, sounds like you are right on track!!

Falcon Boy
06-22-2007, 06:31 PM

I saw the hen gos you sent to MD last week/week before, she's looking great!

Erik- Gos is looking good, can't wait to see him on game!

06-22-2007, 07:16 PM
Jimmy, a bit of clarification--- from my observations... males to males speed wise- no difference- both are essentually the same. Most fin males are smaller compared to eastern NA, flying at around 25-6 oz compared to 25-7 oz., and corresponding will lose game do to less strength.
The big jump is in the females which ARE slower off the fist - have a harder time in tight quarters making turns on rabbits, but will haul down pheasants a bit easier, stiffer feathers may be the reason for it. Releasing game ? For get it!!! I have actually saw my Fin female Teja squeeze a CT so hard it's eyes popped out. She is brutal on game. BTW I like that, as I'm not much into conservation when it comes to hawking. Whack 'em and stack 'em- no survivors.
Disposition in the females may be better (Docile?), [smilie=bs.gif] but if I wanted docile I'd get a Harry's hawk

06-22-2007, 08:29 PM
I'm not much into conservation when it comes to hawking. Whack 'em and stack 'em- no survivors.

I like your attitude [smilie=icon_thumright.gif]

06-22-2007, 09:19 PM
What ever happened to the guy I think his last name was Evens that had the FGOS he could not fly? Your breeding project should be in full swing. Anything outstanding this year?

06-23-2007, 03:08 AM
Cliff Evans... He had a very nice female from Lance C. tried to do the back pack deal following the plans laid out on the Marshall website... gave the bird the shot to help calm the bird down so he could install the pack.... something went wrong and the bird died.
Last I heard ... Cliff hadgotten cancer ... recovered with treatment and hasn't had a hawk in a couple of years.

Me, I produced 9 gos this year , the last one sold tonight , so soon I'll be birdless and am waiting to see if a friend's sharpies produce to see how my summer goes.....how you been?

06-23-2007, 10:31 AM

Sorry to hear about Cliff I hope he pulls through his cancer. I am over the hill so they tell me with my cancer. 10 year free now. I know Cliff had that Gos a long time, to bad what happened to it. Not a lot going on, Th is moulting slow. SOS in many cases. How is the back? Sounds like you breeding project went well this year.

06-23-2007, 11:08 AM
Everything I have read says a "tiercel" is a male peregrine but I have seen the term describing other male birds as one. Any help here?

06-23-2007, 12:23 PM
Everything I have read says a "tiercel" is a male peregrine

Traditionally, that was the case. But nowadays, it's used as a generic term for any male.....

06-23-2007, 10:25 PM
Hi Barry,
I got the notion about the Finnish gos being a bit faster than the N.A. gos from what I have seen. Then again the pool to judge from might be spoiled.

30 days

06-24-2007, 08:21 AM
I 've seen owned and flown a few and I think you might be right male wise-- fitness DOES play the biggest part in how fast they are , that and desire to catch what they are after, other than that they are equal... Females for sure it's the Fin top end ... NA off the fist is by far quicker though.
BTW Your male looks great, I just weighed the one I have here which just got sold last night to someone in NY and he weighs 714 naked,and today is day 24. Sorry I can't add photos , not skilled enough, but then they are all look [smilie=icon_thumright.gif] the same after a while

06-29-2007, 08:01 PM
37 days
Always a buddy.

This one follows the gos everywhere.

They grow fast.

Looking at his next meal.

This bird turned out better than most. I have yet to hear him make a peep other than an alarm call when he is practicing footing things. He is sucking bags up. His food image grows daily. He has had rabbit, jack, pheasant, grouse, ducks, quail, and many stink birds. He accepts the hood like he enjoys it. He is hoping (a kind of a jump, flap, jump, flap thing) to the lure 30' and his weight hasn't been messed with at all. I just keep packing food into him and he likes it. I really cant wait for this one to hard pen.

`Chris L.
06-30-2007, 06:11 PM
Where are you getting all those bags. Do you raise them?.. That is great you are putting him on such a wide range.. your doing great with im. Keep it up [smilie=icon_thumright.gif]

07-04-2007, 09:15 AM
43 days

07-15-2007, 10:55 PM
54 days

Happy & content

Lure work

Loving his manners

Looks like a few more days until hard pen.

07-15-2007, 11:31 PM

07-16-2007, 06:51 PM
It is amazing to see how intense accipters always look. When my falcon lays down, he looks like just the sweetest thing. When an accipiter is laying down, they still look like they would love to "try ya". [smilie=eusa_doh.gif]

07-16-2007, 11:03 PM
Took his first wild head of game today. He hasn't even hard penned. Wow.

Falcon Boy
07-16-2007, 11:42 PM
Congrats Erik! What did he take?

07-17-2007, 12:32 AM
Congrats! We want more details.

07-17-2007, 10:32 AM
Ok, fill us in. That is great news. Once they figure out the game it only
get better from there in most case.

07-17-2007, 11:27 PM
It was just a young cotton tail that he chased half heartedly a time or two before. Just the last time he didn't fool around. I actually didn't believe he did it. Its the first time I ever caught a wild head of game with an imprint before hard penning, actually it was right at hard penning. He chased another cotton tail and a young jack at work today but got jinked both times. I cant wait to bring him down to a hunting weight in another week or so!

07-18-2007, 07:33 AM
You got jacks in NJ?

07-18-2007, 03:04 PM
Years ago, someone introduced Blacktailed Jacks to the area around JFK airport and they apparently prospered. They have a pretty sizable population from what I understand. Kinda cool actually if you think about it. I'd love to be able to fly on Jacks without having to go out west.

07-18-2007, 03:28 PM
Me too!!!!!!!!!! Unfortunately it's about as far one way as it is the other.... Maybe we need to start a Midwest strain around here.

07-18-2007, 03:41 PM
I am sure you have read on the RR that there is a couple of area's in TX
that has hundreds of Jacks in a real small area. I guess they are hard to
hawk because there are so many. To bad we could not find a suitable
area and get a few guys and go trap some and bring them back. But
we both know the DEQ. I know if I lived in TX and I did not have jack
I would relocate some in a min. Doesn't Windser have some type of Jack?

07-18-2007, 06:48 PM
No they have a VERY small population of Euro Hares in Ontario but no jacks.
As far as RR I'm not on that list because of a 'computer problem'.

07-18-2007, 06:57 PM
because of a 'computer problem'.

The "Boni Virus"??.......

07-18-2007, 07:42 PM
Yep, there is no known cure short of,.... well.... it's not worth the effort.
[smilie=dontknow.gif] Barry

07-18-2007, 10:40 PM
I've had that same computer problem for several years.

07-18-2007, 10:43 PM
The virus seems to travel through emails. I think all of us have been infected with it at one time or the other..........

08-11-2007, 12:31 AM
Had a fun couple of weeks working a farm. I was actually able to hack my gos. I would put him in the woods of the farm in the morning after his feeding and call him in for his evening feeding. He would come to the lure in the evening from 1/4th to 1/2 mile away by the end of the third week. He really put on some mussel and weight with a 60 gram increase in his response weight. I think I will hack another gos next summer.

08-12-2007, 05:20 PM
Hey Erik,

Your hack sounds like it went well.

How old was he when you started and also finished?

Did you check on him during the day at all or see him "playing" about the woods?

Why did you stop the hack, was he starting to catch game?

Looking forward to your hawking reports!

08-13-2007, 10:57 PM
The hack just kind of happened. I was working at a farm for a while so why not? I would have to look at records but it was around 60 days and finished at 80 something days. I picked him up all over the 120 acre farm. It was a pleasure to see him chasing birds. It was all fun for him as he was well fed and flying for fun building mussel. If I would have stayed longer I would have let him out each morning until he started catching on his own. The way I was feeding him in the morning and letting him lose and calling him down for dinner in the evening I don't think he would have started killing for food until the cold of Oct.
I have always thought about doing something like this but where I live its too dangerous. It worked out wonderful.

11-04-2007, 08:41 PM

You still around? How is the goshawk doing?

11-05-2007, 02:15 AM
The new gos turned out to be a real nice bird. I have been flying him fat as my schedule has not allowed me to hunt him hard yet. In the next week or so things should change for me and its on!

11-09-2007, 06:13 PM
The new gos turned out to be a real nice bird. I have been flying him fat as my schedule has not allowed me to hunt him hard yet. In the next week or so things should change for me and its on!


Please keep us posted once you get rolling. I am eager to hear how he does this season.

01-02-2009, 11:39 AM
Any updates?