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Eagle Owl
09-05-2009, 01:37 AM
Today was the opening day of trapping season here in Colorado. One of the falconers here was wanting to trap a RT and asked if he could go out with us today. We had plans to be out before daylight, but Mario had training that he couldn't miss at work, so we didn't get out until about 10am.

We headed north and started seeing birds right away...but they were Swainson's hawks. We saw a LOT of Swainson's!!!! The first bird that we saw that looked like a passage RT was real light and we thought possibly a Krider's. Turned out to be a really light...yep, you guessed it...a Swainson's. It was a really pretty bird, though. I forgot to take pictures after we trapped him.

We drove around literally for hours without seeing a single passage RT. Here are some pics of the various birds we did see.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/brandi7777/Trapping%202009/Trapping1_090409.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/brandi7777/Trapping%202009/Trapping2_090409.jpg


We did see this bird that was definitely a RT, but we weren't too sure if it was a passage. The bird was sitting way up high and we threw the trap but it wasn't too interested. I ended up bumping the bird when I walked to throw the trap closer.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/brandi7777/Trapping%202009/Trapping3_090409.jpg


We came across one field where they were cutting the hay and there were over 20 Swainson's flying over the field. That doesn't include the birds just sitting in the field. There were even 2 hag RTs sitting on a pole across the street watching the field as well.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/brandi7777/Trapping%202009/Trapping5_090409.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/brandi7777/Trapping%202009/Trapping6_090409.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/brandi7777/Trapping%202009/Trapping4_090409.jpg

Eagle Owl
09-05-2009, 01:42 AM
Here are a couple more birds:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/brandi7777/Trapping%202009/Trapping7_090409.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/brandi7777/Trapping%202009/Trapping8_090409.jpg


This RT looked just like a passage from the front. It had a bluish cere, yellow eyes and a large belly band. But when we drove past it also had a bright red tail.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/brandi7777/Trapping%202009/Trapping9_090409.jpg


When the bird took off, it had really ratty feathers. Lots of broken and pinched feathers. We are thinking maybe it had WNV or something. I know it is a crappy picture.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/brandi7777/Trapping%202009/Trapping10_090409.jpg


Here is the bird we finally trapped this evening. The bird is hog fat and had a partial crop. She weighed 1330g with a sock and hood.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/brandi7777/Trapping%202009/Trapping11_090409.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/brandi7777/Trapping%202009/Trapping12_090409.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/brandi7777/Trapping%202009/Trapping13_090409.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/brandi7777/Trapping%202009/Trapping14_090409.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/brandi7777/Trapping%202009/Trapping15_090409.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/brandi7777/Trapping%202009/Trapping16_090409.jpg

frootdog
09-05-2009, 02:49 AM
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/brandi7777/Trapping%202009/Trapping15_090409.jpg




What's the bruise from? Is he beating you already?:eek:

KidK
09-05-2009, 08:07 AM
Nice redtail! Way to go guys!

Soooo... Did the chap that went trapping with you take this 1330 gram redtail?

If so, you should get him to join NAFEX and share his process with this bird!

Eagle Owl
09-05-2009, 10:27 AM
Nice redtail! Way to go guys!

Soooo... Did the chap that went trapping with you take this 1330 gram redtail?

If so, you should get him to join NAFEX and share his process with this bird!

Oh yeah, he took the bird!!! We set out yesterday with him saying he wanted a male. When she landed on the trap I told him I could let her go and he said "Oh no!!! I will take her!!!!" It was pretty funny. I don't think he is a member of NAFEX but I will certainly tell him about this site.

Eagle Owl
09-05-2009, 10:32 AM
What's the bruise from? Is he beating you already?:eek:

Funny you should say that! I kept teasing Mario that I was gonna take a picture of the bruise and post it saying he did it. box2

But is wasn't Mario...it was my bird. She jumped to the glove the other day and missed. Mario keeps telling me to use a longer glove, but the only one I have that is longer is the one that belongs to she who shall not be mentioned and I don't want to use it!!!

harrishawk_79
09-05-2009, 11:43 AM
man i can wait til the 12th when trapping season opens here we got two prts to trap this season hurry up next saturday nice lookin bird and pics thanx for sharing

Rage
09-05-2009, 02:18 PM
Way cool brandi. We will see you tomorrow. Maybe we will trap that coops I e seen alot lately. Maybe we will fly the HH's too.

tony123abc
09-05-2009, 03:20 PM
Great pics. Thanks.

tumble
09-06-2009, 06:05 AM
What's the bruise from? Is he beating you already?:eek:

That's a hickey, Krys. I've seen 'em.

frootdog
09-06-2009, 06:17 AM
That's a hickey, Krys. I've seen 'em.

gotcha

Takasho
09-06-2009, 09:40 AM
Can I post pics here since I'm "Trapping in Colorado" as well?

Rick and I caught two kestrels yesterday. One with a sparrow, the other with mice. Both females, both hags, so we let them both go. Although I was tempted by the first one, since she had gigantic, starling killing feet! You can see them pretty good in this picture:
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/Takasho/128.jpg

A happy camper with both kestrels (the one in the sock is the first one with the big feet, I can still afford to be picky):
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/Takasho/131.jpg

The second one was still growing in its tail, and it was in the weirdest pattern I'd ever seen:
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/Takasho/129.jpg

A fun day, I'll be out all day again tomorrow.

KidK
09-06-2009, 09:54 AM
Great day trapping Issac! Pretty wild looking tail!

How do you differentiate between haggard and first year birds?

How about a shot of your BC? I gave my last kestral BC to a friend years ago and never have made another one..

I would like to see what you use, because it obviously works well!

Takasho
09-06-2009, 10:51 AM
How do you differentiate between haggard and first year birds?

For females I look at the thickness of the last band on the tail (excluding the decks). If it's significantly thicker than the rest than I consider it a hag. Also I think the gnarlier the feet the higher the likelyhood is that its a hag but that's rather unscientific! :D


How about a shot of your BC?...I would like to see what you use, because it obviously works well!

Honestly, I think you can catch kestrels with just about any design, and after yesterday I'm just further convinced of that. We caught the first one with a cone shaped BC and the second with a pretty traditional shaped one. The funny thing about the second one was that it was only half covered in nooses! I didn't have time to finish covering it but took it along just as a "mouse holder". We'd thrown the cone shaped BC with a sparrow in it under two kestrels and backed off about a hundred yards and realized there was another kestrel sitting right above us so we figured what the heck and threw the second BC with the mice out the window and backed off another 50 yards. (We could still see the first one just fine) It just so happened we ended up catching it even though there weren't all that many nooses on the trap! So yeah, if its a hungry, motivated kestrel I don't think design...or apparently how many nooses are on the trap, really matters!

Dirthawking
09-06-2009, 10:53 AM
For females I look at the thickness of the last band on the tail (excluding the decks). If it's significantly thicker than the rest than I consider it a hag. Also I think the gnarlier the feet the higher the likelyhood is that its a hag but that's rather unscientific! :D



Honestly, I think you can catch kestrels with just about any design, and after yesterday I'm just further convinced of that. We caught the first one with a cone shaped BC and the second with a pretty traditional shaped one. The funny thing about the second one was that it was only half covered in nooses! I didn't have time to finish covering it but took it along just as a "mouse holder". We'd thrown the cone shaped BC with a sparrow in it under two kestrels and backed off about a hundred yards and realized there was another kestrel sitting right above us so we figured what the heck and threw the second BC with the mice out the window and backed off another 50 yards. (We could still see the first one just fine) It just so happened we ended up catching it even though there weren't all that many nooses on the trap! So yeah, if its a hungry, motivated kestrel I don't think design...or apparently how many nooses are on the trap, really matters!


Nice! ;)

Eagle Owl
09-06-2009, 11:02 AM
Can I post pics here since I'm "Trapping in Colorado" as well?


I guess so since you already did! toungeout

Nice looking birds! Hope you find what you want today!!!! :D

tumble
09-06-2009, 12:46 PM
Nice pics, Isaac! Kinda weird for me to see a fresh trapped hawk with its beak closed.

cliffw
09-06-2009, 05:14 PM
I have a question on the nooses. Can you use the leader wire noose as used for red tails? Or do you use mono and how big are the opening compared to one used for red tails?

Also what type of knot for the mono? My sponsor has always used leader wire traps so that is all that I have made.

FredFogg
09-06-2009, 07:40 PM
I have a question on the nooses. Can you use the leader wire noose as used for red tails? Or do you use mono and how big are the opening compared to one used for red tails?

Also what type of knot for the mono? My sponsor has always used leader wire traps so that is all that I have made.

I made my first wire leader BC this year and so far four birds have landed on the trap and four birds have been caught. From what I have seen, you would be better off with mono for kestrels. My BC I have used for the past 6 years has stand off mono and I have caught everything from kestrels to red-tails on it. Last year a red-tail broke a noose for the first time (she was 50.5 oz trapped weight), so I decided to make the wire noose one just for red-tails and am using my old trap for kestrels, coops and such.

AK Rev
09-06-2009, 09:37 PM
Nice looking RT. The kestrels are cool...I can't help but like them.

oscarpack@yahoo.com
09-06-2009, 09:56 PM
Here are a couple more birds:



This RT looked just like a passage from the front. It had a bluish cere, yellow eyes and a large belly band. But when we drove past it also had a bright red tail.



When the bird took off, it had really ratty feathers. Lots of broken and pinched feathers. We are thinking maybe it had WNV or something. I know it is a crappy picture.

Here is the bird we finally trapped this evening. The bird is hog fat and had a partial crop. She weighed 1330g with a sock and hood.



We get alot of Swainson's through central Oklahoma as well, sometimes the huge flocks, or kettles, settle down in the wheat fields where I kite my falcons early in the year. They are on the ground spaced out about fifty feet apart as far as you can see sometimes. They never have caused any problem with the falcons though, as soon as the kite goes up, they slowly pick up and fly off a mile or so.
That one RT looks like it is going through it's first molt to me and is heavy into it. Not very often do you find an adult with a pale eye like that one has. After looking closely at the pic one juvenile tail feather is visible.
That one you trapped is a beauty, good luck with her.
Oscar