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Jeff721
10-02-2009, 10:59 AM
So I'm pretty darn sure that I know what this hawk is, but curious what others say just from the photo.

It was raining at the time and that pole is standard telecom size 10-12 inches thick.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/jeff721/DSC_0042-copy.jpg

Saluqi
10-02-2009, 11:00 AM
Passage Cooper's Hawk.

Todd Brown
10-02-2009, 11:04 AM
that's what I'd say....immature coopers

frootdog
10-02-2009, 11:08 AM
ditto passage coop

Jeff721
10-02-2009, 11:27 AM
I should have posted the original image - zoomed out. Would've made it harder for you guys.

Without a doubt it was/is a passage coop., about the size of a crow when it came in and a rounded tail shape.

PeteJ
10-02-2009, 12:40 PM
Pretty easy to tell a immy Coop from an immy Gos, the dots on the breast are largest at the top of the breast on a Coop and get smaller, narrower and streakier on the way down, on the Gos they stay more uniform or get larger as you go down the breast. Compare the photo of the Coop to this pic from the net. http://www.pbase.com/photosbydennis/image/72794109

Jeff721
10-02-2009, 02:38 PM
Ok, here's a tougher one. This was taken with my old camera around June this year. Still can't figure it out myself.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/jeff721/PICT0024-web.jpg

PeteJ
10-02-2009, 04:11 PM
Looks to be another Coop for the same reason...spotted up top then getting streaky down below, although this one looks like it might be molting into adult plumage as there seems to be some barred feathers in the middle part of the breast nearest our view.

Dirthawking
10-02-2009, 05:49 PM
I would agree, look at the tail.

Aquilachrys
10-02-2009, 09:31 PM
both coops

Todd Brown
10-05-2009, 04:43 PM
What about immature Red-Shoulder?
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robhawkyyz
10-05-2009, 04:57 PM
immy redshoulders can be hard to ID especially the Texas species as compared to an immy broadwing pic soon to follow.

Jeff721
10-05-2009, 07:10 PM
What about immature Red-Shoulder?
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At first, I thought thw second pic was an immature red-shoulder...until I looked at the eyes, they just scream coops.

robhawkyyz
10-05-2009, 07:27 PM
i can't see it's eyes at all .

Todd Brown
10-06-2009, 09:32 AM
it's the barring on the tail and the thick streaked breast that made me think immy RS...and do i see a little rusty color in the shoulder area?
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sevristh
10-06-2009, 10:02 AM
i can't see it's eyes at all .

I couldn't either, so I saved the pic and then edited it to lighten it up, and the eyes do appear very coop-like. They are orange as well, which is weird, because the bird does not appear to have any adult plumage at all. Definitely not a RS though in my opinion because of the eyes. Since the pic was taken in June, maybe it's a very late molting female coops? Don't the females molt later?

PeteJ
10-06-2009, 10:12 AM
Definitely NOT a Red-shouldered. Underside of the tails of Buteos in general are not very fancy (contrasting) compared to Accipiters, usually Buteo tail undersides are washed in some light color like this immy RSH.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Red_Shouldered_Hawk.jpg

Todd Brown
10-06-2009, 11:18 AM
We found a coopers nest this year with three chicks and a immature female was feeding them....didn't see the eyes though to see if they were red yet.
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Todd Brown
10-06-2009, 11:29 AM
If the eye is red....then what about a sharpie? They are heavier streaked and stockier looking?....hard to tell size of the bird in a picture....I just don't think it's a coopers especially when compared to the first picture very thin and lightly streaked at belly this looks heavier streaked at belly to me.
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Todd Brown
10-06-2009, 11:31 AM
I agree...it's not a RS
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