Tanner I should add, no doubt Oliphants method is asking quite a lot for the circumstances - and would seem to benefit greatly w/ more than one bird. I guess I could pull it off at my place, but too many driving roads near my house. One could ask other breeders to duplicate, but like w/ imprints, few probably would have the interest and frankly would even consider putting the daily time into it. Chamber or "leave em alone" wild hack suits them too much.