I've stopped fooling myself that I will ever use these. I purchased the set used. I've had them since about 2010 and they have never touched a tree since I've owned them. When I purchased the spikes they had the smaller pole gaffs. The tree gaffs now installed are a bit rusty from storage but they were purchased new and never used. The spikes come with both sets of gaffs. If interested PM me with offers.