Everet: I don't let my birds jump to their perches from my glove. I purposely stand with their back to the perch and transfer the bird to the leash then bend down to allow them to step over. I do this to reduce bating for the perch from my glove at any time or bating from my glove at other times. I'm a bit anal about some of my training. Bill[/QUOTE]

I have found that by holding the jesses very short and as you say, keeping their backs to the perch and then combining the right hand cue when I present the perch to them they learn to be patient. Almost never bateing once the routine is learned.