Printable View
Also, to more exactly answer the question, if you are weighing the bird each day, and weighing it's intake, it should be obvious when it has eaten something at some point during the day. Just like when your RT sneaks a mouse in the mew at night and is high for the hunt the following day! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by REYNALDO
Keith: No problem ;). I would have preferred a younger chick but since it was later in the spring and he just sat there it was decided to give him the same treatment. If he had acted fearful in the nest I wouldn't have taken him at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by keitht
After consulting with a wiser and more experienced accipiter guru my bird is back outside preening in a tree. My neighborhood is similar to Joe's except that I'm on the edge of a subdivision next to woods. In my previous post i was referring to my neighbors bottle rockets, not mine.
I'm curious to see if completing the tame hack is going to smooth out or magnify some of the fear issues.
-Jeff
From what I can see its not to smooth out fear usually its more to smooth out handling error and to muscle them up.......also for some reason or another they take better care of there feathers after being hacked and most doesn't scream. I have been logging even better in my journal at home attempting to figure out why this is true and what actually dose come from tame hacking your bird. At the end of this whole ordeal I promise to let every one know the conclusion I come to and for what thats worth I hope it helps some one. Me being as young as I am I am doing my damnedest to contribute something.
That is very interesting Joe! I wonder if one pulled two cooper hawks at the same time, imprinted them in 2 seperate rooms, tame hacked one and did the traditional imprint method with the other, what the differences would be? Hmmm, I might try that in a few years. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by moredtailboy
well I just think that the birds that are hacked are going to be more easy to handle and less will bother them.
well I have hit a mile stone today the bird normaly stayed right in between the neighbors behind me and the house's in front today he went across the road and up the block.
Are you sure it was a mouse, to make him to high the next day.... Maybe it was a muskrat!!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by sevristh
To be honest, I never did figure out WHAT it was... But there were about two or three days this past season where that happened to me. And I am one of those people anal enough to want to have their RT within a 5-10g window each day! :)
Enen after eating almost a whole quail he cased a grackle all the way down the block right on it's tail.
363g after being fed up..................he came down on the ground about 4pm and ran behind my neighbor cutting his grass, not sure why he did but was very friendly to my neighbor all of them seem to like the bird so far. He killed a baggie today after being coaxed I think he is starting to pen because he is getting more excited when he is indoors friday will be 21 days for hacking and if he is hard penned then I will start hunting saturday morning.
I think I am making head way with no mantling and vocalazation the only time he makes noise is when he is looking for me at feeding time. The mantling is for about 30sec then this how he eats even on baggies.
http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/a...Picture023.jpg
http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/a...Picture025.jpg
this is how he spends some of his day
http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/a...Picture022.jpg
The hack is over...................Soon I hope to be hunting for now now its just baggies set fup in a hunting senioro to get the bird killing with high level of confendece while redusing the weight.
Joe,
What made you decide to end the hack?
He sprained his wing
Dang. Sorry to hear that. Does it seem pretty serious? (drooping, etc?)
Sorry to hear about the Sprain Joe.
I hope nothing bad happened while at Hack?
I assume he will recover from your comment about baggies. Keep us up to date.
hes doing just fine dosnt even seem to bother him now i kept him in a darken box for a day and 1/2 and then he now he seems fine. amennn
what is the high level tibiting hooding method could some one exsplain in depth how to go about this.
Joe
I have never practiced it and someone please correct me if I am wrong.... But I believe it is the Hood training method where you Tid bit the Bird up high at head level while hood training.
I believe this is done by putting the tid bit -in the hood- and letting the hawk take it thus conditioning the bird to associate it's beak in the hood as a good thing. The intent is to allow the hood to be placed on the bird later as a natural next step without creating a negative association.
I have only seen this done and assume this is what your referencing. High level tid biting can be done under other circumstances as well. But it is specifically offering a tid bit at head or above head level to the hawk. The idea is to take the feet and eating at the feet out of the equation.
There are two problems with these methods that should be considered. Some Falconers reason that food shouldn't be involved in Hood training because it teach's the bird to expect food while or when hooded. Behavior such as biting while hooded or tearing at the hood itself is a risk.
the other problem is that when high level tid bitting is done it often includes your hand. The hawks impulse is to grab you with it's feet or bite. Plus the tid bit isn't visible to the bird until it's offered so the hawk is constantly looking at your hand for food. Some speculate it encourage's the hawk to grab you.
I am sure someone else could elaborate better. But that's how I understand it.
This website explains it in detail...
http://www.americanbirdabatementserv...idbitting2.htm
Dave
Thanks for sharing that. He clearly has developed a good system. The video of the Goshawk -not attacking his hand- is pretty cool. I never would have thought he could do that.
OK well bam was 297 yesterday so hes making his way down. We went hunting with mike mcdermitt yesterday and but didnt connect but he did yesterday and mike said his manners and behavior is perfect so that was a nice thing to hear. Im gunna bring him down a few grams today to get his responce a little better.
Huh?confuseddQuote:
Originally Posted by moredtailboy
Krys,
It's a space time continuum thing, you wouldn't understand...;)
No doubt Joe that the man is older tha the dirt you are standing on. Treat him with respect and if you are lucky and he's not too grouchy he may do the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by moredtailboy
Keith, don't let Joe drive, ever, and you might live long enough to see all your hair turn grey. Best of luck with them guys!
Very funny Bob im sorry I dont drive like a old women like you. what are you flying this year, when are you coming down to STL for some hawking with us.
Bob: That's quite the assumption you're making there - that my hair is not gray now.
Quote:
Originally Posted by keitht
I will try not to make too many assumptions when you are concerned. I've been down that slope b4. Good luck you two.
Ouch Joe.....Been flying Aplos again this summer, hoping for a hen gos in a couple weeks, Joe since the move to Kansas, I will mostly spend the 5 hrs in the truck heading west. Look forward to seeing you in Dodge again in November,Quote:
Originally Posted by moredtailboy
took my first double tonight he is turning on slowly and very pleased that im starting to figure out how to manage his kinks.
That's an enthralling story. Nice pics too.http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/s...onfused013.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by moredtailboy
I'm with Krys. Could you give us some more detail?
Glad to hear about the progress. Maybe you could fill us in on the last few weeks?
sorry ill post some more in the morning. sorry guys been busy.
clapp
Keep hanging in there.
thumbsupp
Well bam started to get real moOdy for the past couple of weeks but I have since got a handle on his behavior and is giving most birds he'll if they fly he has caught every day for the past couple and I'm headed out in just a little while to try again.
I fully understand now....... Joe I honestly don't see the point in keeping a log if all you are going to do is post one liners. The whole point is for learning. It would be nice to know what problems the bird had exactly and how you fixed them. Take this post from my thread for example. http://www.nafex.net/showpost.php?p=140921&postcount=18Quote:
Originally Posted by moredtailboy
Sorry I was in the AT&T store on my phone up dating. Tonight he was 191g and was full trotle at 7pm we where late getting out of the store so we where only able to get one slip ans he was so excited he was jumpin on the dash bored trying to get at them. Well he finnaly made it out the window and made an amazing chase after a sparrow ending up 80 yards hitting the ground twice after it and fnnaly ending under a trailer missing so we played shaping games for about 20 min working on putting his aggression towards a outward sources and it seemed to work really well I'm going to try in the morning so I'll let every one know tomorrow.
Bam didnt make weight this morning so this afternoon ill be at a concert so im goin to do some more shaping games in a little bit.
Well if I said tonight was good it would be a under statement we got out to chesterfeild around 5:00 after taking the Girl friend shopping. He was right on weight 291 as before and we start out by car hawking he made one good slip and then we couldnt find any more starlings so i saw hundereds of sparrows in this long line of bushes by a movie theater and like alway haley my girl friend was not going to sit in the car she wanted to be apart of the action well we got a good slip right off the bat and it ratted out in the bush he let me pick him up sweet as can be and haley flushed another sparrow and he went on 90yd case after it before losing in a tree I called him down manners perfect( this shapping game stuff has really worked for me turned him around completly). The next flush he was off and followed it into some cattails where I had to locate him with telemtry and found him on his prize :D
Take a camera the next time, we want to see pictures! LOL