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    Is there an official definition for OC? I might be using some of these techniques (OC) already and not even realizing it.
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    and to respond to your comment...you are using it (and responding to it) almost every waking second of your day it's kinda like gravity in that sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricko View Post
    Is there an official definition for OC? I might be using some of these techniques (OC) already and not even realizing it.
    Falconers have been using OC for as long as there has been falconry............
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    Quote Originally Posted by andy hall View Post
    and to respond to your comment...you are using it (and responding to it) almost every waking second of your day it's kinda like gravity in that sense.

    Andy Hall
    I'd like to clarify this a little.

    OC encompasses some very technical concepts, terminologies, and techniques. Those are pretty cut and dried - either you know or you dont. Either you use it or you dont. Simple. (ok, not really, but lets leave it simple for now).

    However, OC was developed by studying very carefully how animals learn and what motivates them. Its underlying theory primarily focuses on reward based methods, but certainly examines the effects of punishment based methods as well (and discounts them as being counter productive).

    So, while you may not know and use OC, if your teaching using reward based methods you are using some of the basic biological principals that OC takes advantage of.

    And this is where my "simple" statement above falls apart. If someone using OC conciously is working off of the same biological principals as someone who is NOT using OC, is there a real difference in the training methods used? I would submit that there is not, with the exception that the guy using OC can articulate and understand what is going on in ways that the other fella cannot.

    I can take OC terminology and apply it to anyone who is using reward based training, and describe what they are doing in OC jargon. Well, maybe not me because I am not really all that well studied in it - I just study it enough to use it to make my training more productive. But someone could.
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    I have a feeling lmgtfy is going to get alot of use...
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    Thanks....that was easy
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    Rick.... OC has been most associated with the training of short wings. However its probably most often used by long wingers. Most who fly falcons do not even know it. The act of flying a falcon to the kite or the balloon is pure OC. Hood comes off, falcon looks up and its off for its reward. When the falcon reaches a certain height it either gets the lure (ie: Mr Frosty) or it is served game by the falconer. This action can draw a direct comparrison to a lot of the OC techniques used on short wings. The falcon is rewarded for a cued behavior. A lot of longwingers will wave there glove right before they flush. This waving is meant to bring the falcon right over head before the flush. This "cued behavior" is rewarded with a flush.
    I have found it surprising that (some) who fly falcons are so anti OC? Its being used by all of us
    I hope your falcon turns out to be a real sky buster and brings much game to the hawking bag!
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    Jeremy, I suspect you are exactly right. Different terminologies but, basically the same basis of performance/ reward. I have no problems with this at all.
    Thank you for the encouraging words. Somewhat of a rarity Im afriad in our world.
    Rick Mayo

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