Arab "Rufter"

[Joan Marie]

Pubes. *thumbing through the California Hawking Clubs glossary*

[sakerjack]

Pubes. *thumbing through the California Hawking Clubs glossary*

I liked some of the names for the hood. Pubes is good but I think Syr-Ab is going to work perhaps better.

[oldguy]

I've never seen one of your hoods that wasn't too cool.
My only issue, and this is strictly MY OPINION, it might be hard to wipe off blood and other things that seem to find their way onto my hoods.

Just me.

[sakerjack]

I've never seen one of your hoods that wasn't too cool.
My only issue, and this is strictly MY OPINION, it might be hard to wipe off blood and other things that seem to find their way onto my hoods.

Just me.

Hey I hear you, I will be offering the hood with the smooth side out as well, I just liked the look of it this way. I am working on a Jack Daniels hood for Lowachi with the smooth side out to show the artwork and tooling.

[frootdog]

I am working on a Jack Daniels hood for Lowachi with the smooth side out to show the artwork and tooling.

Another one? Don't put any Jack in the dye this time and he won't be tempted to eat THIS one in times of desperation.

[sakerjack]

Another one? Don't put any Jack in the dye this time and he won't be tempted to eat THIS one in times of desperation.

That is funny!!

[Lowachi]

Another one? Don't put any Jack in the dye this time and he won't be tempted to eat THIS one in times of desperation.

I NEVER!!!! I just sniffed it a lil.

[sakerjack]

I NEVER!!!! I just sniffed it a lil.

Remember this statement Rich!!

[sakerjack]

I've never seen one of your hoods that wasn't too cool.
My only issue, and this is strictly MY OPINION, it might be hard to wipe off blood and other things that seem to find their way onto my hoods.

Just me.

This way you when your hood gets all yucky you will just buy another.LOL

[oldguy]

This way you when your hood gets all yucky you will just buy another.LOL

Interesting marketing ploy. I would have to buy in bulk !

[sakerjack]

Interesting marketing ploy. I would have to buy in bulk !

That is the idea my friend! Seriously I think with the fuzzy side you should be able to lightly scratch it off with your finger nails, or softly with a little brush. Unless it is blood I think you will find it is easier to keep clean.

[Lowachi]

Remember this statement Rich!!

I think I'm in trouble....again. And I tae I can't send pix of this one to Lynchburg either....

[sakerjack]

Interesting marketing ploy. I would have to buy in bulk !

I will be offering a great two for price...LOL

[sakerjack]

I've never seen one of your hoods that wasn't too cool.
My only issue, and this is strictly MY OPINION, it might be hard to wipe off blood and other things that seem to find their way onto my hoods.

Just me.

Dan I just had to comment. I had to put some ointment on my falcon's feet. It was an an oily grease type and it marked two areas on her hood. I let it dry for 24 hours and then with my finger nail I lightly scrathed the stains. They came off in seconds and now you can hardly notice the blemishes. Had the hood been in reverse there would have been two permanent stains. A Big deal? No, but I think this proves that it should be even easier to clean.

[sakerjack]

Just finished these, Female Rtail, Male harris hawk, and for a white Gyrkin.

[AdamS]

Those look great Ken! I like the orange and black!

[sakerjack]

Those look great Ken! I like the orange and black!

Hey I thought you might, the color is really orange the picture doesn't really show it well. On the way..

[sakerjack]

Here is one with a Two tier Raised center Deck.

[Keith Denman]

Oh Ken that is nice, I really like the double step on the top. What type of leather did you use for that hood? Very nice I never get tired of looking at your work. Very masterful.

[sakerjack]

Oh Ken that is nice, I really like the double step on the top. What type of leather did you use for that hood? Very nice I never get tired of looking at your work. Very masterful.

Hey KD,,,thank you,, the hide is nothing special just a slightly softer 3 oz calf than I regularly use. What I like about it is that after blocking the hide gets more rigid than most of the soft Arab style hoods you see. I prefer this hood to have a more of a Dutch hood rigidity to my hood.
That double raised center would really stand out if the skin was reverse, it is a neat look which doesn't really show well in the photo.

[Keith Denman]

Hey KD,,,thank you,, the hide is nothing special just a slightly softer 3 oz calf than I regularly use. What I like about it is that after blocking the hide gets more rigid than most of the soft Arab style hoods you see. I prefer this hood to have a more of a Dutch hood rigidity to my hood.
That double raised center would really stand out if the skin was reverse, it is a neat look which doesn't really show well in the photo.

How do you keep the back soft enough to allow a full pull to close it up?

[sakerjack]

How do you keep the back soft enough to allow a full pull to close it up?

Reveal ALL my secrets KD? LOL,no secrets here, you just need to select the correct hide. You don't want a hide that gets rock hard after the wetting and drying procedure . Too soft a hide it will be a flimsy Arab style hood which I do not like,,,, NOTHING wrong with them I just like a sturdier hood,, too thick and the accordion back will not work for you. Just tinker with some leather to get a 'FEEL" of what works for you.. I made about 30 prototypes and it took me that long to get that Feel and to where I really like it.

[Keith Denman]

Reveal ALL my secrets KD? LOL,no secrets here, you just need to select the correct hide. You don't want a hide that gets rock hard after the wetting and drying procedure . Too soft a hide it will be a flimsy Arab style hood which I do not like,,,, NOTHING wrong with them I just like a sturdier hood,, too thick and the accordion back will not work for you. Just tinker with some leather to get a 'FEEL" of what works for you.. I made about 30 prototypes and it took me that long to get that Feel and to where I really like it.

Thats what I figured, it makes sense why mine does not pull like it should. I am searching for some good leather, I am thinking about trying some 1mm roo leather.

[AdamS]

Ken, I received my hoods today, packed very well, quickly, and they are beautiful. Thank you, excellent work!

[sakerjack]

Ken, I received my hoods today, packed very well, quickly, and they are beautiful. Thank you, excellent work!

Hey great news,,, now lets get a fit... If you have any Problems with them Adam, let me know...

[sakerjack]

Thats what I figured, it makes sense why mine does not pull like it should. I am searching for some good leather, I am thinking about trying some 1mm roo leather.

KD I am not a ROO guy so cannot comment,, but am thinking a hood totally made of Roo might not be as sturdy as I like them, but you might? Keep me informed.. I am pulling out those patterns as promised for you,, will try to get them in the mail next week.

[Lowachi]

Thats what I figured, it makes sense why mine does not pull like it should. I am searching for some good leather, I am thinking about trying some 1mm roo leather.

may not be my place, but 1mm roo might not hold up for a larger hood. I ran across some calf @ Tandy's that was pretty soft. didn't stiffen rock hard after wetting.( I have a nice store) 2-3oz. strong enough, but not what I needed for my endevors. Using it for the back half of the pattern might serve you well. just a thought.

[sakerjack]

may not be my place, but 1mm roo might not hold up for a larger hood. I ran across some calf @ Tandy's that was pretty soft. didn't stiffen rock hard after wetting.( I have a nice store) 2-3oz. strong enough, but not what I needed for my endevors. Using it for the back half of the pattern might serve you well. just a thought.

Hey it certainly is your place,, thanks for the comments..You have a TON of leather experience Rich...

[Keith Denman]

Here are my two Ryand hoods I made side by side. The left is all petite calf around 3oz the white one is petite calf with white roo that is around 1mm or 1.2mm thick. My petite calf does not pull as tight.

[sakerjack]

Here are my two Ryand hoods I made side by side. The left is all petite calf around 3oz the white one is petite calf with white roo that is around 1mm or 1.2mm thick. My petite calf does not pull as tight.

KD I think it is just the problem with the Accordion back that maybe giving you hassles.. I have a great way to help you.. I will PM you, or call...The hood shape etc looks good,,This should be easy to fix.The hood on the right the light tan one looks really good and the back is almost perfect,, remember it does not have to be super tight! Don't compare my hood back with yours,, different leather, different technique,,

[Lowachi]

Here are my two Ryand hoods I made side by side. The left is all petite calf around 3oz the white one is petite calf with white roo that is around 1mm or 1.2mm thick. My petite calf does not pull as tight.

each hide is different as to the quality of it's tanning & prep. & care before & after. Not having made many arab style, but have rebraced a handful, could some of the problem(s) be in the braces? mght also concider skiving down the back some, might help the accordian folds some.

[Keith Denman]

each hide is different as to the quality of it's tanning & prep. & care before & after. Not having made many arab style, but have rebraced a handful, could some of the problem(s) be in the braces? mght also concider skiving down the back some, might help the accordian folds some.

I sanded it down some so it would fold better, I am really lousy at skiving and would destroy it if I tried to do that. It just seems to be to thick and I am not good at skiving.

[Keith Denman]

KD I think it is just the problem with the Accordion back that maybe giving you hassles.. I have a great way to help you.. I will PM you, or call...The hood shape etc looks good,,This should be easy to fix.The hood on the right the light tan one looks really good and the back is almost perfect,, remember it does not have to be super tight! Don't compare my hood back with yours,, different leather, different technique,,

Thanks I appreciate it. I really like the Ryand hood it is cool and fun to make. I

[Lowachi]

I sanded it down some so it would fold better, I am really lousy at skiving and would destroy it if I tried to do that. It just seems to be to thick and I am not good at skiving.

the thin stuff IS a trick, I must admit. Have messed more than a couple in 40+ years of leatherwork. sanding large pieces, stretched wet & pinned down works pretty well. reccommend random orbital.

[Keith Denman]

the thin stuff IS a trick, I must admit. Have messed more than a couple in 40+ years of leatherwork. sanding large pieces, stretched wet & pinned down works pretty well. reccommend random orbital.

I have a 1/4 sheet sander I am going to give it a try and see how it works for thinning it out. I would like to try some tooling on this pattern but have not figured out a good design for it yet. I not to creative when it comes to leather work yet.