Quote Originally Posted by Eagle Owl View Post
They are comparing belly bands to the Krider's, not all RTs. Please don't twist words to suit your needs. And for the rest of your thinking...I guess no one should listen to anything Beebe and Webster have said, or McDermott, or Nick Fox, etc., because according to you, writing a book does not mean anything. Wheeler and Clark have both studied raptors for over 50 years. Clark worked for the NWF as the Director at the Raptor Information Center, has done extensive research on Harlan's hawks, Harris's hawks and white-tailed hawks. He has written numerous scientific papers and is well respected in the ornithological field. No offense, Fred, but I am going to listen to the opinion of someone that has spent almost their entire life studying these birds over someone who has flown a few RTs.
So Brandi, with your reasoning, if Wheeler and Clark told you a golden eagle was a red-tail and posted a picture of it, would you believe them? Come on, don't get your panties all twisted in a wad here. Anytime someone disagrees with you, you take it personally. I just don't think that particular bird in that picture is a Harlan's, PERIOD! I am not twisting anybody's words around, just stating what I believe. And quite frankly, I really don't give a crap if you believe what I think or not, that isn't my point on posting. I just posted I don't think that is a Harlan's and unless you can provide better pictures that shows more proof, then as far as I am concerned it is just a light morph red-tail!

Oh yeah, you need to re-read what you posted! They are not comparing the belly bands to just Kriders. They are describing a Harlan's in that paragraph and say The belly band is light or moderate (lacking in "Krider's" Red-tailed Hawks) and the wings have dark patagial marks, unlike Krider's. So they are saying the belly band is light or moderate and then say it is lacking in a Kriders, not saying it is light or moderate in comparison to a Kriders. And again, I will say, trying to compare belly bands on red-tails is about the worst way to determine a type of red-tail, they all vary so differently.

It is a light morph red-tail, period!