I really enjoy reading this thread, and am going to try and incorporate what I can to shape my new charges with this great information.
Hold the phone.... arent you a McDermott follower? His notions are diametrically opposed to the shaping that Jeff used.
Geoff Hirschi - "It is better to have lightning in the fist than thunder in the mouth" Custom made Tail Saver Perches - http://www.myrthwood.com/TieEmHigh/